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    Anyone done any high repetition drilling?

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    by JuisMa6/7/2023(edited)

    1.) For example high repetition (500-1000 reps) finishing Omoplata with omoplata crucifix? So many times the guy rolls to defend and when you get to reach around his waist before the roll this finishing mechanic becomes in handy. How good is your "Omoplata crucifix" after all this work?

    2.) Any short legs guy done the same with triangle? How good is your triangle now? (this if you know the proper way to finish a front triangle and know the common ways to kill lousy defenses)

    The first one is highly personalized submission but it is mainly for omoplata players? Seconds one is for more general because almost all people have at least tried triangle chokes. This question is towards the Gi players.

    Or have you done something else for high repetition (500 or more) and got super good with in your niche?

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    Enkidu900466/7/2023

    Doesn’t work efficiently. Look at Ecological Dynamics as a much more efficient method of skill development. Check out various podcasts with Greg Sounders and Kabir Bath as guests.

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    JuisMa6/7/2023(edited)

    Does not answer my question. Training works.
    Truth is I would watch anything over this Ecological method. So, you have not done any high repetition drilling like Andrew Wiltse, Cobrinha, Musumeci etc.
    Good you do you.

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    Enkidu900466/7/2023

    Well to answer your question, yes I’ve done it. Didn’t translate to improvements in my game. That’s why I started looking for other methods. YMMV. As you say, you do you.

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    lateroller6/7/2023(edited)

    I've done drilling in your typical BJJ class where you show up and get taught a technique of the day/week and drill it against a non-resisting partner. It may not fit your definition of high-reps, but there were many reps and I usually couldn't hit it right away in a live situation and rarely remembered all the details during the next class. Seems like a pretty bad way to learn unless the technique happened to fit within whatever I was currently working on during my own time.

    I'm not an absolutist and believe you can get great results if you put in a ton of hours and focus on specific techniques over a long period of time. Wiltse is a great example of that. However, I don't think many BJJ practitioners have the time or discipline to do it that way. That's why I'm a bigger fan of eco/constraints-based games. Take your crucifix to an omoplata for instance. That seems like a great thing to work on in a game setting. First set them up in the finishing omoplata position and tell the top guy to focus on slowly finishing the omoplata against minimum resistance so they don't hurt their partner. Game 2 would be just trying to control that position without finishing while the bottom player attempts to escape. Game 3 could then follow by setting them up in the crucifix and saying top player wins if they finish with the omoplata and bottom wins if they escape. I'm betting most the class would benefit from that approach and, at the very least, both the top and bottom players got something out of it without one guy being a lifeless dummy half the time.

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    JuisMa6/8/2023

    Only games I play in bjj are "king of the hill" and "shark tank".
    Everything else falls in some of these categories technique, drilling, positional sparring and rolling.

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    kalel6/9/2023(edited)

    JuisMa, post: 64687, member: 12559

    1.) For example high repetition (500-1000 reps) finishing Omoplata with omoplata crucifix? So many times the guy rolls to defend and when you get to reach around his waist before the roll this finishing mechanic becomes in handy. How good is your "Omoplata crucifix" after all this work?

    2.) Any short legs guy done the same with triangle? How good is your triangle now? (this if you know the proper way to finish a front triangle and know the common ways to kill lousy defenses)

    The first one is highly personalized submission but it is mainly for omoplata players? Seconds one is for more general because almost all people have at least tried triangle chokes. This question is towards the Gi players.

    Or have you done something else for high repetition (500 or more) and got super good with in your niche?


    when you say high repetition (500) or more , do you mean in one long session
    or over time ?

    if over time then yes pretty much any move I use regularly I have drilled hundreds if not thousands of times,

    I stop doing reps of anything, once my form breaks down as I don’t want to practice the movement improperly and build bad habits

    as for ecological training, I am looking into it, but i have been breaking movements into smaller parts and drilling the small parts for years

    for example if practicing an americana, i may do twenty reps of just pinning his arm , and making my grip

    the game part i have not done yet

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    JuisMa6/20/2023

    I usually drill passing like Liera does spider guard passing drills in this video (at 25-50seconds)
    Usually for reps and with speed when outside passsing far distance guards.

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    I've done it before(not 500, but around 200 reps in a session), but I haven't done it much. I stopped because I personally didn't find it helpful. I usually drill something until it clicks instead of a specific number. Many things I can get in 3-7 reps, but I'll put in 20-30 if I feel I need it. More than that I just stop and work on it in the next session because obviously I'm doing something wrong. When I drilled more I didn't see any noticeable improvement, so I stopped, but there are people who swear by it. If it is working for you keep doing it.

    I think that type of drilling works better for stand up because it helps build muscle and speed, but I haven't found those attributes that helpful on the ground(at least not to the same extent). However this could just be due to my attributes and style of BJJ.

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    JuisMa6/20/2023

    Chandlerhimself, post: 64720, member: 15938

    I've done it before(not 500, but around 200 reps in a session), but I haven't done it much. I stopped because I personally didn't find it helpful. I usually drill something until it clicks instead of a specific number. Many things I can get in 3-7 reps, but I'll put in 20-30 if I feel I need it. More than that I just stop and work on it in the next session because obviously I'm doing something wrong. When I drilled more I didn't see any noticeable improvement, so I stopped, but there are people who swear by it. If it is working for you keep doing it.

    I think that type of drilling works better for stand up because it helps build muscle and speed, but I haven't found those attributes that helpful on the ground(at least not to the same extent). However this could just be due to my attributes and style of BJJ.


    Thanks for responding. I have seen some results. I have short legs but like to play collar&sleeve (hip or dlr hook). Omoplata&Triangle have become somewhat good. I will keep drilling those for reps. One reaction Omoplata for other reaction Triangle. 50 to 100 reps per session.

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    tsneds017/19/2023

    JuisMa, post: 64722, member: 12559

    Thanks for responding. I have seen some results. I have short legs but like to play collar&sleeve (hip or dlr hook). Omoplata&Triangle have become somewhat good. I will keep drilling those for reps. One reaction Omoplata for other reaction Triangle. 50 to 100 reps per session.

    Why you should drill by time rather than by rep in BJJ : Drill for Time
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    JuisMa7/20/2023

    tsneds01, post: 64754, member: 10427

    Why you should drill by time rather than by rep in BJJ : Drill for Time

    Both are good. Reps you can count that is why I prefer reps.
    Chewjitsu is a good youtuber and good at giving advice for new people in this sport. I choose to take my jiujitsu advice from other resources.
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    tsneds017/20/2023

    JuisMa, post: 64755, member: 12559

    Both are good. Reps you can count that is why I prefer reps.
    Chewjitsu is a good youtuber and good at giving advice for new people in this sport. I choose to take my jiujitsu advice from other resources.

    OK no problem,but the advice he gives on this topic is good for anyone,not just new people.

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