Did you guys know Gordon Ryan has a stomach condition where food stays in his stomach longer than it should? This means he cannot eat as much as he wants to, and often feels constantly nauseous. When he eats fatty foods these make him more nauseous. I learned about this on his Joe Rogan interview recently. Here is the link. JRE MMA Show #109 with Gordon Ryan - The Joe Rogan Experience | Podcast on Spotify
Anyhow, the top grappler today survives on a diet of vegetables, rice, and chicken, almost all the time. The basics work! Also, credits to him being top dog with this limitation.
.... and now he's retired!
haha
nah seriously though, his talent and hard work off truly impressive (still not a fan of his personality though)
kimbah805, post: 61098, member: 31337
I wonder if he can or could have prolonged his career by not eating so much/often. By his own account he eats constantly to maintain his weight. Seems like a good way to stress the digestive system.
kimbah805, post: 61098, member: 31337
I wonder if he can or could have prolonged his career by not eating so much/often. By his own account he eats constantly to maintain his weight. Seems like a good way to stress the digestive system.
I guess he could have prevented this by cleaning his rash guard? Maybe choosing not to roll with an open wound? Who knows but it’s a bummer.
baconlt, post: 61111, member: 33621
I’m pretty sure that was a joke ... I think he his sense of humor might be ... I don’t know ... off?
tephonis, post: 61102, member: 24945
He has said his digestive system was messed up from antibiotics he took for a staph infection. Most dietitians recommend eating smaller meals more frequently.
baconlt, post: 61113, member: 33621
From what I gathered from his Rogan interview, his stomach condition was the result of a strong antibiotic he took to treat a staph infection. I’m guessing the antibiotic killed all of his gut flora. They have experimental treatments like -no joke- stool replacement therapy in efforts to regrow beneficial gut bacteria after antibiotics.I guess he could have prevented this by cleaning his rash guard? Maybe choosing not to roll with an open wound? Who knows but it’s a bummer.
kimbah805, post: 61132, member: 31337
Thats where he believes the problems started. I’m speculating if subjecting his digestive system to bulking from 190 to 230 pounds in a year and maintaining that much weight while training 4-6 hours a day was the proverbial last straw that broke the camel’s back. I have to imagine eating that large a quantity of food would exacerbate his problems much more/faster than had he remained at 190lbs.
tephonis, post: 61138, member: 24945
I suppose it could be? I don't know enough about the subject. Do you have some information that points to this as a possible cause or are you just speculating?
skrumian, post: 61147, member: 31496
How about steroid use? Do you think steroids exacerbate his condition?
_rollingcole, post: 61061, member: 31168
Did you guys know Gordon Ryan has a stomach condition where food stays in his stomach longer than it should? This means he cannot eat as much as he wants to, and often feels constantly nauseous. When he eats fatty foods these make him more nauseous. I learned about this on his Joe Rogan interview recently. Here is the link. JRE MMA Show #109 with Gordon Ryan - The Joe Rogan Experience | Podcast on SpotifyAnyhow, the top grappler today survives on a diet of vegetables, rice, and chicken, almost all the time. The basics work! Also, credits to him being top dog with this limitation.
Hm, I don’t think I’d use Gordon Ryan as a role model or inspiration when it comes to the topic of personal nutrition.
baconlt, post: 61113, member: 33621
From what I gathered from his Rogan interview, his stomach condition was the result of a strong antibiotic he took to treat a staph infection. I’m guessing the antibiotic killed all of his gut flora. They have experimental treatments like -no joke- stool replacement therapy in efforts to regrow beneficial gut bacteria after antibiotics.I guess he could have prevented this by cleaning his rash guard? Maybe choosing not to roll with an open wound? Who knows but it’s a bummer.
Ah, the Joe Rogan Podcast -- that is not exactly an accredited source of fact-checked scientific knowledge.
Gordon's condition is gastroparesis, which is most commonly associated with vagus nerve damage. This is oftentimes due to diabetes or surgery. However, perhaps around 1/3 to 1/2 of cases are idiopathic (ie, cause unknown) so there is more work to be done to explore all of the underlying causes of this disease. Other associated factors reported in the literature include various viral infections, dysthyroidism, long distance running, and many others.
Gordon's explanation that antibiotics caused his gastroparesis is NOT currently supported by mainstream medical literature (as far as I can tell). Since we don't have a complete understanding of this heterogeneous disease, that does not necessarily mean Gordon's speculation is wrong, but let's be clear -- he is merely giving his personal and unscientific speculation, most likely based on the timing of when he started noticing symptoms. I feel it's safe to say that his theory was not confirmed by a real gastrointestinal specialist.
As a side note, for me personally, the proposed pathogenesis for antibiotics to cause some cases of gastroparesis does not sound biologically plausible to me (it involves gut microbiota). At the same time, I'm open to the possibility that it might be a confounding secondary factor, or that future development of the theory might refine it to be more believable -- but I need to see credible researchers giving weight to the view first.
Finally, I'm not going to speculate further on the cause of Gordon's condition, that's his personal health and that's his GI specialist's job. I'm merely pointing out that his theory of "antibiotics" is not a well-accepted cause, and that he probably did not get confirmation on that from a real GI specialist.
kimbah805, post: 61164, member: 31337
I too would be curious if anyone has more knowledge of the effects of steroids on the organs. Every now and than I hear about the early death of some bodybuilder or athlete who was a suspected user. And speculation that steroid abuse contributed to early organ failure.
That's way too complex of a topic to be addressed in a single post. It would take at least one proper-sized textbook to objectively and fairly address all the facets of anabolic-androgenic steroid (AAS) use -- the pros and the cons. There are just way too many nuances about side effects (and performance enhancing effects) to discuss -- it depends on doses, usage period, individual genetics, age of the user, the types of steroids used, usage cycles, "stacks", etc. Some side effects are permanent, some are temporary. And the literature is incomplete and there is significant room for more study.
But to answer your question -- you mentioned "multiple organ failure". If you're asking whether that is a possible side effect of AAS abuse, then the answer is a resounding "yes". A simple Google search will easily turn up lots of cases of AAS abusers with precisely that.
In fact, this is the first hit I got:
Multi-organ damage induced by anabolic steroid supplements: a case report and literature review
It describes a 24-year old who was taking AAS 3x a week for 2 months. He presented with: dull stomach pain, nausea, and vomiting. But after admission to the hospital, tests showed that he had pancreatitis and kidney failure (yikes), and other serious problems like enlarged liver, gallbladder, and bile duct, dysthyroidism (hypoparathyroidism), etc.
I think you can look online and easily find most of the major well-known side effects of AAS, including the potentially fatal ones -- renal failure, liver toxicity, low HDL-C levels and the associated risk of heart attacks and strokes, increased risk of certain cancers, etc. You'll also find the ones that are non-fatal but highly undesirable, such as: low sex drive, hair loss, gynocomastia, thyroid dysfunction, volatile moods, etc.
But one side effect that is less established is its detrimental effects on cognition. This idea is a lot newer and is still developing, but we've seen a growing body of research suggesting that long-term use of AAS causes cognitive impairment, particularly in visuospatial memory.
Like I said, AAS is a very complex topic, and the above post is completely devoid of nuance. But if your question is "can AAS cause serious side effects?", well the medical literature is clear and there is no ambiguity in my response.
I don't know about steroids, but I think it is ridiculous he took so many antibiotics. I have had staph all over my right leg, and up my chest on two different occasions, and a salt bath, defense soap, and over the counter antibiotic cream took care of all of it within 2 days. We overuse these powerful pills.
jeiteki, post: 61415, member: 9812
Finally, I'm not going to speculate further on the cause of Gordon's condition, that's his personal health and that's his GI specialist's job. I'm merely pointing out that his theory of "antibiotics" is not a well-accepted cause, and that he probably did not get confirmation on that from a real GI specialist.
I see... You're saying that Gordon does not have the expertise to make that call because he is a NO-GI SPECIALIST. This kind of thing should really be left for GI specialists. Thanks for clarifying.
JRT6, post: 61570, member: 2970
If roids caused his condition then this would be the first reported cause of it. Gear kills most abusers through chronic high blood pressre.
To clarify a few things on AAS:
1) This above quote might imply (or be misinterpreted to imply) that high blood pressure is the only serious side effect of AAS, which is completely untrue. There are many other debilitating side effects, including other ones that are potentially fatal (liver damage, kidney failure), and one that we are just beginning to see in medical literature (I previously mentioned possible cognitive impairment -- long suspected but hard to prove given the illegal nature of AAS).
2) Stomach pain, nausea, vomiting, acid reflux, and belching (often described as smelling like "rotten eggs") are common side effects from certain types of AAS. They are very well-known among steroid users and also mentioned in medical case studies (including the one I linked). Not surprisingly, these symptoms are ALSO the classic symptoms of gastroparesis. So it entirely possible that some steroid users suffer from gastroparesis.
3) As for why you don't see a bunch of research papers come up when you type "anabolic steroids gastroparesis" in Google, well keep in mind that a true gastroparesis diagnosis requires an expensive and potentially invasive procedure (ie, endoscopy) done by a GI specialist that measures the rate at which your stomach empties over time, so it's not like a steroid user would be in any rush to get diagnosed -- especially when he/she knows the precise cause. Also, there isn't much research at all when it comes to illegal substances like AAS, for many reasons.
Finally, none of this is related to the original topic of Gordon Ryan. His health issues could have any number of potential causes, including diet, lifestyle, genetic disposition, etc.
JRT6, comment: 124, member: 2970
Are you referring to oral or injectable steroids?
I was not referring to a specific drug. Toxicity profile is dependent on the specific drug, and also the usage context (concurrently used drugs, dosing, the individual's genes and gender and lifestyle, etc).
Cerebro-cardiovascular, liver, kidney, and other toxicities are present in most injectables and orals. For simplicity's sake most steroid users are taught that "oral=riskier" and "injectable=safer" but medically speaking this is FAR too simplistic of an understanding. It really depends on the specific drug and usage context.
In terms of the GI issues (acid reflux, nausea, flatulence, belching, etc), adverse effects are reported from both injectables and orals. In the case study I linked, the patient was using was taking AAS via injections.
This is already getting too off-topic, if you want to follow-up on this then just PM me directly. My main point is that when writing about something that can have real medical consequences on someone's life, it's a good idea to be very careful in what you write, or just refrain from commenting.