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    Maintaining mount against a much larger opponent

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    by Warren2/11/2023(edited)

    I got injured last night rolling with a big guy. I feel like the injury was my fault, but I also feel like I was doing things correctly. So I'm wondering what kind of adjustments people make when trying to maintain mount against a much larger opponent.

    I am 185 pounds, the guy I was rolling with is 240 pounds. I was in high mount. The guy is a blue belt, so he certainly knows a few mount escapes, but he was only trying the upa escape. This made it pretty easy to defend, although I wasn't completely stable due to his size and strength.

    I was following Roger's advice on the position of my knees and feet:
    Youtube: Wy6Si0FuQaU:821

    Because his body is so large and round, my knees and feet didn't fit exactly as they would on a smaller person. In order to glue my feet to his side, they ended up somewhat under him. He made a strong bridge attempt and rolled to the side, and my foot got trapped under his body. I ended up rolling my ankle.

    I'm thinking that in the future I ought to float on top of a guy like this. He wasn't trying any elbow escapes, these might be difficult for him due to his size. So having my knees and feet away from his body might not be a problem.

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    kalel2/12/2023(edited)

    You are more experienced then
    Me so hopefully I'm am not speaking out of turn

    I am on the small side (165 lbs )
    I find that sometimes it is better to transition to a position where you have more control of your partner

    Perhaps knee on belly with a lot
    of pressure to tire him out , then cross side on to N/S etc

    All the while looking for a submission when he looks to escape

    If it's a mount drill or your focus for the round is to keep the
    Mount , then I guess your best bet is just keep trying and makie the adjustments next round after every time he reverses you

    Sorry you got injured and hope you feel better soon !!!

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    jambmur2/13/2023

    I think you correctly answered your own question. Mount is tricky on bigger wider guys so floating works well.

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    jeiteki2/19/2023(edited)

    I feel mount is a tough topic to write about since there are a lot of subtleties and micro-adjustments that don't have established nomenclature.

    Probably the main thing is to avoid "tight" lower body controls. They're very useful but they also expose you to injury risk against huge guys.

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    Enkidu900462/23/2023(edited)

    I’m 5’6” around 155 lbs and about to turn 52. I used to avoid mount because I felt it was impossible to hold, particularly against larger training partners. The game changer for me was when I heard Shawn Williams (who is also a small guy) say that he doesn’t even go to mount until he has isolated an arm above the shoulder line. Since I started following that advice, I now love mount as much or more than the back, even against training partners 15 years younger and 80+ lbs heavier. Now I’m not just holding mount but finishing there with arm triangles and mounted triangles all the time.

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    JRT63/19/2023

    Enkidu90046, post: 64504, member: 22193

    I’m 5’6” around 155 lbs and about to turn 52. I used to avoid mount because I felt it was impossible to hold, particularly against larger training partners. The game changer for me was when I heard Shawn Williams (who is also a small guy) say that he doesn’t even go to mount until he has isolated an arm above the shoulder line. Since I started following that advice, I now love mount as much or more than the back, even against training partners 15 years younger and 80+ lbs heavier. Now I’m not just holding mount but finishing there with arm triangles and mounted triangles all the time.

    I completely agree. I'm not strong at holding mount so if my opponent is not that skilled I'll take my time and catch my breath. If they have any game at all I immediately go into attack mode and if that doesn't work I try to transition to side control rather than eventually getting caught in their half guard.
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    Littlemove3/20/2023

    For a 125 lbs (56 Kg) guy, it really puts things in perspective when 165 lbs people consider themselves on the small side... :_) (sorry for the off-topic).

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